Persistence in charms

Clint Byrum clint at
Fri Feb 24 18:59:00 UTC 2012

Excerpts from Gustavo Niemeyer's message of Fri Feb 24 06:36:45 -0800 2012:
> Hey Gary,
> > Moreover, wanting a public url for these kinds of persistent files--logs,
> > database files and the like--seems like it would be the exception rather
> > than the rule.  Having them shared privately seems more commonly desirable.
> It sounds like you're asking for a file server.. this fits quite well
> as just another charm that your charm can require. It can be as simple
> as a webdav server that provides an authenticated https base URL
> through the relation data, and as complex as a deployment of ceph's
> object store.
> Wouldn't that solve your problem?

I think it would solve the issue, and we could probably even build the
stash tools as part of charm-helper to make easy for all charms that
need that functionality to make use of it. I already have a few cases
where clusters can make use of seed-data to initialize new members and
right now there are 3 or 4 different ways that is happening in charms.

However, Juju always has access to a read/write object store, so it
seems natural that it would abstract that away and give the users a
means by which they could make use of it in charms. This needs careful
consideration, but I think ultimately its a nice 2nd toe in the water
for persistence (the first toe being EBS volumes on EC2).

A file server charm would eat up another machine on ec2 for something
that would only be in use during charm configuration operations. Fine if
you have constant churn, but pretty wasteful for the average use case.
Perhaps better than a new cli for this would be an assumed virtual service
that is always available for relating, which is the object store that
is in use for charm storage.

I like that because we can move forward with it as a charm, and if it
proves widely useful we can move it into juju core.

So, Gary, for your use case, a simple webdav charm would make sense,
and then add a relation for talking to it in your charm, which would
then store/retrieve the files as needed.

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