Do we need charm "snippets"?

Juan Negron negronjl at
Tue Nov 22 23:57:34 UTC 2011

+1 on charm helper package.
Maybe the charmers can initially create such a tool and lead by example
modifying the "official" charms to use this tool.

As a by-product, the work done in the "official"charms charms can be
referenced as examples on how charms should be coded and organized.



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Apologies for the brevity of this message.
On Nov 22, 2011 4:50 PM, "Clint Byrum" <clint at> wrote:

> Excerpts from Jorge O. Castro's message of Tue Nov 22 13:14:41 -0800 2011:
> > Today Mark Mims and I were discussing how to help George sort out his
> > mail requirement for the thinkup charm:
> >
> > -
> >
> > Right now I am helping him find how to use debconf to just set up
> > postfix to send mail. It doesn't need to be a full charm, just a
> > "snippet" to do what it needs. But what about the next LAMP charm that
> > needs something similar?
> >
> > Similarly, Marco does a install_steam function here:
> >
> >
> > that grabs an upstream binary but does sha1sum check for the binary.
> > If I were to make a similar charm I would really want to steal that
> > specific part. Ditto for things like "grab this specific thing from
> > github, but default to the packaged ubuntu version", and so on.
> >
> Agreed, this belongs in packaging. Anything that is shared amongst charms
> should go in packages. PPA is fine at first, but we should strive to
> get things into universe at the very least, and main when the charm is
> dealing entirely with software in main.
> > We already know that sharing charms is very useful and a great part
> > about juju. Should we be investigating documenting snippets of best
> > practices as well? Mark was thinking something along the lines of
> > libcharmtools-bash, libcharmtools-python, and so on.
> I think 'charm-helper' is a good idea for a name for a project to track
> these bits.
> I think the best way to get this done is to add a bit of "Should" policy
> that states that code should not be copied from one charm to another,
> but instead should be added to charm-helper and removed from both charms.
> Eventually we can have juju automatically install charm helper and other
> packages based on clues in the metadata, much like debian source packages
> have a 'debian/source/format' and a 'debian/compat' that tell the tools
> how to build them.
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