charm search discussion from IRC of "awesome first 30 minutes" vUDS session

Luca Paulina luca.paulina at
Thu Aug 29 19:40:13 UTC 2013

On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Gary Poster <gary.poster at>wrote:

> Heart of it:
> Nate (Juju core engineer) reports that...
> - incremental search improves current charm search a lot
– Agree, the auto-complete has always tested really well.

> - [not in conversation, but Gary really wants the "deploy" button in
> those fast results, per UX!]
– That would be awesome to get it to the auto-complete results. We designed
it so when a user is comfortable with deploying charms they can shortcut to
the search bar, type MySQL and then deploy in a really short time.

> - we should consider including README text in searches, or doing other
> things to make charm searches fuzzier
– I'm interested with this idea, it wouldn't of occurred to me that it
would be useful to search it, however I'm all for making the search as
intuitive as possible. Maybe if we have 10 mins next week we can discuss it.

> - showing results in drop down is odd to him
– Auto-complete relies on the dropdown, we're not doing much different than
what most search engines do however we always expect a learning curve, good
thing this one is pretty small.

> - user is eager for us to remove filters (JC is working on this IIRC)
– Fantastic :)

> Edited details for the seriously interested:
> <natefinch> arosales: searching on jujucharms is kinda poor... it's easy
> to think there's no charm for something if you don't type your search
> exactly right
> <natefinch> arosales: cool.... one thing that would make a big
> difference is just not filtering by defaulty
> <gary_poster> natefinch, try for me
> and give me thoughts on that search?
> <natefinch> gary_poster: looks better... it's a little odd that search
> results are in a dropdown... but not just a list of charms
> <natefinch> gary_poster: but definitely much better
> <natefinch> gary_poster: false positives are way better than false
> negartives [this was in response to my observation in hangout that we
> were not including the README text in searches]
> <natefinch> gary_poster: I know if something is not right, I can't know
> if something didn't show up
> <gary_poster> natefinch ack and thanks very much.  I'll share the feedback.
> <natefinch> gary_poster: thanks for listening :)
> <natefinch> gary_poster: not entirely happy that the filters are hidden
> by default... it wasn't clear my search results were being filtered
> <natefinch> gary_poster: maybe some visual indication that the filter if
> excluding things
> <natefinch> gary_poster: if the filter is excluding things that is
> <gary_poster> natefinch, ack.  good news is that filter will go away and
> instead we will always show reviewed charms above unreviewed charms,
> with no other filters.  We will add filters back when we think they add
> more value.  However, the filter will still exclude unreviewed charms
> from fast search: they will only show up when you get the full list
> <natefinch> gary_poster: awesome, that sounds perfect
> Gary
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