[Bug 1886970] [NEW] should be warned if major installed package not in upgrade.
Harry Coin
1886970 at bugs.launchpad.net
Thu Jul 9 14:58:57 UTC 2020
Public bug reported:
The clear, simple pop-up graphic advising of a new long term release can
lead to major upset with Ubuntu in a way that can be avoided, as
follows:
Just for the purpose of this wish: Let's call an installed package that
provides a capability of interest to the user that's optional, that is
to say not a dependency of anything, user-driven.
If an installed 'user-driven' package is not available in a new long
term release: it's reasonable to suppose an average user would be upset
if, trusting the cheery notice of new LTS release won't do 'anything
bad', their package-of-interest is mysteriously gone upon reboot. It's
just a question of the extent to which Ubuntu wants to be friendly to
folks who think it's too much to comprehend the zooming console
screenfulls of 'lib*' and so forth being upgraded.
We know some major packages (where 'major' means the user went out of
their way to install it) arrive only as 'backports' for long term
releases, so accepting the LTS until those arrive when the prior version
is installed -- will be a loss.
There are lots of potential 'right answers', I think the only wrong
answer is 'do nothing'. I call this a bug because going along with the
clear, obvious intention of the pop-up will in these cases leave the
user worse off as their chosen optional package will be gone though
you'd think that Ubuntu would have taken that into account before
presenting the 'it's all ready!' notice.
The case that bit me was freeipa-server, but there are many others.
Just dealing with repeated notices on consoles and pop-ups making me go
out of my way to turn them off seems, well, less user-friendly than the
standard Ubuntu keeps elsewhere.
** Affects: update-manager (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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Title:
should be warned if major installed package not in upgrade.
Status in update-manager package in Ubuntu:
New
Bug description:
The clear, simple pop-up graphic advising of a new long term release
can lead to major upset with Ubuntu in a way that can be avoided, as
follows:
Just for the purpose of this wish: Let's call an installed package
that provides a capability of interest to the user that's optional,
that is to say not a dependency of anything, user-driven.
If an installed 'user-driven' package is not available in a new long
term release: it's reasonable to suppose an average user would be
upset if, trusting the cheery notice of new LTS release won't do
'anything bad', their package-of-interest is mysteriously gone upon
reboot. It's just a question of the extent to which Ubuntu wants to
be friendly to folks who think it's too much to comprehend the zooming
console screenfulls of 'lib*' and so forth being upgraded.
We know some major packages (where 'major' means the user went out of
their way to install it) arrive only as 'backports' for long term
releases, so accepting the LTS until those arrive when the prior
version is installed -- will be a loss.
There are lots of potential 'right answers', I think the only wrong
answer is 'do nothing'. I call this a bug because going along with
the clear, obvious intention of the pop-up will in these cases leave
the user worse off as their chosen optional package will be gone
though you'd think that Ubuntu would have taken that into account
before presenting the 'it's all ready!' notice.
The case that bit me was freeipa-server, but there are many others.
Just dealing with repeated notices on consoles and pop-ups making me
go out of my way to turn them off seems, well, less user-friendly than
the standard Ubuntu keeps elsewhere.
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