[Bug 1872065] Re: 'writable' should not be introduced as a new label for persistence partition in Ubuntu 20.04
Dimitri John Ledkov
launchpad at surgut.co.uk
Mon Apr 20 12:28:08 UTC 2020
Ubuntu has been using "writable" & "/writable" for many of its products:
Ubuntu Touch, Ubuntu Core 16, Ubuntu Core 18, Ubuntu Core 20 and now
also Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server. Thus it's a standard name that is
widely used across many Ubuntu products.
It was an oversight that casper was not changed, which is now fixed.
Some other distributions also use "writable" e.g. Raspbian. "persistent"
and variations have never been used in Ubuntu.
** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed => Opinion
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Title:
'writable' should not be introduced as a new label for persistence
partition in Ubuntu 20.04
Status in casper package in Ubuntu:
Opinion
Bug description:
This is a follow up on
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1863672 since a
handful of Ubuntu users and software developers do have a valid
concern that a change, that could have very negative consequences, is
being introduced in 20.04 with little or not oversight, and that, so
far, our efforts to have this reviewed have been all but fruitless.
The root of the matter is that, as of the current 20.04 daily builds,
the casper package plans to introduce a *new* 'writable' label,
alongside existing 'casper-rw' label, as a means to detect persistent
partitions.
Our concern is that the choice for the new label appears to seemingly
have been decided by a single person, outside of any consultation with
other Ubuntu maintainers, and is based on a very flimsy foundation.
For one thing, many of us think that there is little need to introduce
a new alternate label for persistent partition, where the label it is
meant to replace ('casper-rw') was more than good enough for its
purpose.
As per #1863672, the maintainer who introduced the label justified
their choice by indicating that they thought 'casper-rw' was too
obtuse and that 'writable' would be clearer, but we actually think
this will be shifting the problem in the completely opposite
direction, with 'writable' being way to generic to provide anything of
value to end users to indicate why the partition is labelled that way
(at least, 'casper-rw' indicates that this has something to do with
'casper', which is a searchable term that least to an explanation
about persistence, whereas 'writable' will never accomplish the same
thing).
Also, if a new "more generic" label for persistent partition is to be
introduced, we would STRONGLY advise Ubuntu to use this as an
opportunity to bridge the gap with regards to what other
distributions, such as Debian, use as labels for persistent
partitions, and therefore instead go for the current *GENERIC* label
that Debian Live settled on, which is 'persistence' (as referenced in
https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/538665/314167 and other location).
Much better than 'writable', 'persistence', while being more generic
and less obtuse than 'casper-rw', would certainly provide an
indication to Ubuntu end users as to the nature of the partition they
are dealing with, even if they have no clue about persistence.
Otherwise, we are confident that there are going to be unfamiliar
Ubuntu users, who are exploring a drive in a partition manager and see
only 'writable' as an indication for what a partition is being used
for, choosing to delete that partition on account that they have no
idea that it is being used to store their personal data, in an attempt
to reclaim free space. After all, one can very much see 'writable' as
an *invitation* to write or erase the data from said partition in
order to reclaim space.
On the other hand, when using 'persistence', we expect that
inexperienced users may at least try to perform a search for a term
they might be unfamiliar with and in the process understand that this
'persistence' partition is the one that contains their valuable
personal data, and should not be erased.
And that alone is a strong argument against introducing 'writable' as
the new label, even without considering how helpful it would be for
users interested in persistence to try to *BRIDGE* the gap between
distributions, by trying to harmonize the labels that persistent
partitions can be created under instead of *CONFUSING* Linux users
further by introducing a completely new label that nobody seems to
have been asking for.
Also, If Ubuntu 20.04 goes with introducing 'writable', I don't feel
like I should have to point out how users *ARE* going to be utterly
confused when they search on the internet for guides on they should
label their partition to enable persistence, as they are going to find
all sorts of seemingly contradictory information there ("You should
label your partition 'home-rw'", "No, you should label it 'casper-
rw'", "No, you should label it 'persistence'", "No, you should label
it 'writable'").
So, can we PLEASE stop this UTTER MADNESS, and at least have more than
one person review the proposed introduction of 'writable' as the new
allowed label for persistent partition, and review what we feel are
very valid concerns.
By opening this bug, we therefore URGE Ubuntu to either *FIX* the
current proposal, by introducing 'persistence' instead of 'writable'
as the proposed new label for persistent partitions, or *DROP* the
introduction of a new alternate label altogether.
And we would also greatly appreciate if someone else other than the
person who has been pushing to introduce this change, was to review
and weight in on the current proposal, as, judging from #1863672, we
it does seem to us like the original maintainer behind that proposal
has been unwilling to engage in any further discussion on the topic
(which is what actually led us to open this new bug report).
Thank you,
/Pete
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