Re: Switching to Kubuntu; problems?
mikebianc at aol.com
Mon Oct 24 00:03:13 UTC 2011
I didn't mean that things didn't work in one or the other, just that the optimisations seem to be geared toward the smaller screens where the traditional desktop is lacking and the new (scrollbars, unity-type stuff, borderless windows, menu in the top panel, etc) desktop makes for a much better experience overall. I'm pretty impressed with the innovations I'm seeing w/r/t screen real estate.
My point is only that I hope (like some of the other posters) that the trend does not end up moving away from having a classic desktop (with an actual applications menu where you don't have to type to find a new app and other panels where you can put frequently used stuff, etc, etc) as an option. I was surprised in 11.04 where my hw did not support unity (and apparently my laptop lost access to the VGA so I couldn't even dock it anymore -- but that's a separate issue) and ubuntu classic was not an option and I had to install it separately.
One thing I have noticed, though, with edubuntu is that if I have a PC that can't support Unity, that same PC is able to PXE boot the ltsp edubuntu image and get the unity desktop no problem. So that was a really nice surprise. (so yeah, even though I'm not 100% onboard with Unity yet, I still enjoy using it and trying to like it because it's new and cool).From: Jeremy Bicha <jbicha at ubuntu.com>
Cc: edubuntu-users <edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: Switching to Kubuntu; problems?
On 23 October 2011 16:44, Mike Biancaniello <mikebianc at aol.com> wrote:
> I've noticed a transition lately to optimisations for smaller screens and
> making more out of limited real estate and for tablets and phone and such,
> it's wonderful and quite innovative. However, for those of us who still use
> an actual monitor, it's annoying at best. From not being able to scroll my
> firefox by clicking the bottom of the scrollbar to the entire unity
> interface, it is not optimised in the least for anyone with a screen larger
> than 10".
The scrollbars will be improved in Ubuntu 12.04. For a preview, see
Technically, Firefox doesn't use the new overlay scrollbars. The
scrollbars did improve in 11.10 and they are pretty easy to remove
(just uninstall liboverlay-scrollbar* ).
Multi-monitor support should be getting some work in 12.04 which is
obviously not a tablet optimization. Unity and GNOME Shell definitely
work on average screens, not just small ones (I don't have a large
screen nor a Ubuntu-capable touchscreen at home). And there's
definitely value in having the same UI for tablet users and desktop
users. Neither Unity nor GNOME Shell fully support a touch interface
yet but GNOME Shell is closer.
On 23 October 2011 18:15, David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com> wrote:
> XFCE has the advantage of being really light weight, Right? That is a great advantage. What would be lost by moving away from GNOME? Wouldn't we loose the use of some current Edubuntu software? In other words, what's the full range of pros/cons?
Shipping xubuntu-desktop by default in no way impacts whether you can
use GNOME or KDE educational apps. I've not used XFCE recently but
it's not as full featured as a GNOME Fallback desktop (which will be
even more usable next release when indicators are ported to it).
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