How/why does network-manager interfere with /etc/resolve.conf

[john]

Thanks to all for the information.

I've removed  network-manager network-manager-gnome from my server.

I appreciate the help!

John


On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Andy Figueroa <figueroa at andyfigueroa.us> wrote:
> The first think I do after a new install of Ubuntu or Mint for a desktop at
> the school, is disable nm-applet (provided by network-manager-gnome) or
> discard it all together.  The last thing in the world you want one of your
> desktop users to do is to click on the darned thing.  But, for the laptop
> users, it's terrific.  What is irritating is nm-applet's lack of
> transparency with regard to its configuration files.  I do NOT use in on my
> own computers.
>
> Andy Figueroa
>
> Gavin McCullagh wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009, john wrote:
>>
>>> I guess I don't understand how network-manager, dbus-subsystem, etc,
>>> etc, work with regards to networking. I feel like it's getting harder
>>> and harder to figure out "who's in charge"
>>
>> I feel your pain.  You get to know how to use a whole heap of config files
>> and commands and then the goal posts move 40 yards left.
>>
>> Perhaps ironically, this is all done in the name of simplicity for users --
>> so they don't have to edit the config files.  I have to say it has helped
>> me when I was able to point and click a cisco VPN set up through network
>> manager in thirty seconds.  I did manage to set it up using the config
>> files too, but it was definitely quicker and easier using network manager.
>> If Ubuntu is to be a real desktop solution, your marketing director needs
>> to be able to set up a VPN with either no or minimal help over the phone
>> from his IT staff.  Config files are not an option.
>>
>> Windows went through a similar process back around v3.1 -> v95.  Up to 3.1,
>> practically every application (opera, netscape, paint shop pro, ...) and
>> even Windows itself had its own .ini file.  Some of those settings were
>> configurable in the UI but many of them you just had to open the .ini file
>> and edit it yourself.  As a geek, I used to like that "simple" way to get
>> straight to the application's settings.  Then the windows registry became
>> the place to store all this.  I never got the hang of it¹.
>>
>> Gnome went through a similar thing with gconf which I've never really
>> gotten the hang of either.  On the other hand, I very rarely need to know
>> anything about it.
>>
>> It's good and bad at the same time.  Your life is simplified until you want
>> to do something they haven't (yet) implemented simplicity for.
>>
>> Gavin
>>
>> ¹ Shortly afterward, I bought my first PC running Windows 98 first edition
>>   and the horror of it made me try Redhat 6.1.  I haven't actively used
>>   a Windows desktop since.
>>
>>
>
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