[FWD: RE: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess?]

rmcdaniel at indata.us rmcdaniel at indata.us
Tue Sep 9 20:30:50 BST 2008

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess?
From: <rmcdaniel at indata.us>
Date: Tue, September 09, 2008 2:07 pm
To: "R. Scott Belford" <scott at hosef.org>


I can assure you that new thin clients have problems too... I have
unsuccessfully tried setting up 3 labs, HP DL360 (2) quad core and 8GB
RAM, (30) HP T5530 clients. I have spent countless hours/days trying to
work out all of the problems. Everything looked great with one client,
then I started running into problems with multiple clients booting. I
applied the DirectX setting, tried all DHCP settings to no avail, ran
all updates, still not reliable. I have since gone back to ole
faithful, K12LTSP CentOS ver. 5. Run all updates and everything has
worked like a charm:) The CentOS ver 5 will be supported until 2014, so
I don't see any problems. As far as the desktop, that is easily

Ron McDaniel
rmcdaniel at indata.us
Conecuh County Schools
Technology Coordinator

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess?
From: "R. Scott Belford" <scott at hosef.org>
Date: Tue, September 09, 2008 1:51 pm
To: "Edubuntu Users Group" <edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Asmo Koskinen <asmo.koskinen at arkki.info>
HP t5125, 5135.

Edubuntu has had an adverse and destructive effect on the adoption of
Free and Open Source Software in schools.

I think Asmo is the only person who has had success with
Ubunut/Edubuntu, and the brand new clients are a factor. Many of us use
older computers as thin clients. The Ubu/Edu documentation has been
inconsistent on what thin clients are supported. I have not yet looked
at the LTS.CONF file for Hardy, but it is likely a culprit in
The question is what to do now. Eric Harrison is not as active with the
K12LTSP - and the K12LTSP is no more - it is becoming a Fedora Spin with
RedHat sponsorship. Warren Togami, fedora founder, is actively involved
with this. It is not ready for production, but bugs are being sought
and squashed.
Debian-edu, aka Skolelinux, has a responsive mailing list, polite
developers, and a community will to do good in a responsible way. 
Perhaps Ubuntu would be wise to build on this element of the Debian
community, too.
The Hardy problems existed in Feisty. 7.04 was the only acceptable
thin-client server release. *NOTHING* critical in 7.10 appears to have
been addressed in 8.04 in spite of the heavy volume of traffic on this
Until someone upstream in the Ubu/Edu projects takes a pro-active and
cooperative stance, Canonical will continue to abuse the good work of
its education predecessors by falsely claiming to have a community-based
solution without the community.
I still volunteer to run the lab that prompted Warren to start the
Fedora project in Hawaii. It was a thin client lab until we moved to
7.10. This completely destroyed the school's taste for thin clients. 
Now we use stand-alone workstations with central authentication. 

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