edubuntu-users Digest, Vol 28, Issue 14
David Ally
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Tue Sep 9 18:08:49 BST 2008
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Today's Topics:
1. Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess? (Todd O'Bryan)
2. Re: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess? (Dean Mumby)
3. Re: DHCP server problem (Charles Austin)
4. Re: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess? (kjetil knudsen)
5. Re: wireless networking (Vincent Yau)
6. Re: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess? (Asmo Koskinen)
7. Re: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess? (Asmo Koskinen)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:28:44 -0400
From: "Todd O'Bryan" <toddobryan at gmail.com>
Subject: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess?
To: "Edubuntu Users Group" <edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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OK, first let me say that I'm using the LTSP package on Ubuntu Hardy, not an
Edubuntu install, so if that's the source of my problems, let me know and
I'll install whatever I need to to get the Edubuntu goodies that I'm
missing. My clients are Devon IT 6020P's--128 MB of RAM.
Here's a recap of my last several classes. Students log in, try to work, and
have hard freezes of the clients. I presume these freezes are the result of
the pixmap caching problem that people have mentioned, and setting X_RAMPERC
(or XRAMPERC, I've seen both spellings online) doesn't help at all. What's
more, the problem occurs with OpenOffice and a programming environment I
use, not just Firefox, so the Firefox 3 environment setting trick only
solves some of my problems.
What's more, whenever the client freezes, students can't log back in, so I
spend a great deal of my time running "sudo slay studentlogin" instead of
teaching.
Am I doing something wrong, or are things far less stable than they should
be?
Todd O'Bryan
duPont Manual High School
Louisville, Kentucky
P.S. I'm considering switching back to the K12LTSP package, just because
it's so rock-solid, but I'd hate to give up the Ubuntu/Debian goodness I've
come to rely on. The thing Eric Harrison managed to do is create all the
settings and extra files to make LTSP work out of the box. The cool thing
about Debian's packaging system is that you can change settings, add
packages, and do all the other cool stuff that he does as part of installing
a package. So if we can figure out how to get everything working, creating
something that works out of the box should be doable.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:36:31 +0200
From: Dean Mumby <dean at mumby.co.za>
Subject: Re: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess?
To: Todd O'Bryan <toddobryan at gmail.com>
Cc: Edubuntu Users Group <edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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Can you put more ram in ?
I have had the same experiences. Alternatively go back to 7.04 , I have
the watchdog app running but it is no solution.
Dean
Todd O'Bryan wrote:
> OK, first let me say that I'm using the LTSP package on Ubuntu Hardy,
> not an Edubuntu install, so if that's the source of my problems, let
> me know and I'll install whatever I need to to get the Edubuntu
> goodies that I'm missing. My clients are Devon IT 6020P's--128 MB of RAM.
>
> Here's a recap of my last several classes. Students log in, try to
> work, and have hard freezes of the clients. I presume these freezes
> are the result of the pixmap caching problem that people have
> mentioned, and setting X_RAMPERC (or XRAMPERC, I've seen both
> spellings online) doesn't help at all. What's more, the problem occurs
> with OpenOffice and a programming environment I use, not just Firefox,
> so the Firefox 3 environment setting trick only solves some of my
> problems.
>
> What's more, whenever the client freezes, students can't log back in,
> so I spend a great deal of my time running "sudo slay studentlogin"
> instead of teaching.
>
> Am I doing something wrong, or are things far less stable than they
> should be?
>
> Todd O'Bryan
> duPont Manual High School
> Louisville, Kentucky
>
> P.S. I'm considering switching back to the K12LTSP package, just
> because it's so rock-solid, but I'd hate to give up the Ubuntu/Debian
> goodness I've come to rely on. The thing Eric Harrison managed to do
> is create all the settings and extra files to make LTSP work out of
> the box. The cool thing about Debian's packaging system is that you
> can change settings, add packages, and do all the other cool stuff
> that he does as part of installing a package. So if we can figure out
> how to get everything working, creating something that works out of
> the box should be doable.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:44:37 -0400
From: "Charles Austin" <ceaustin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DHCP server problem
To: "Edubuntu Users Group" <edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:25 AM, David Ally <david_ally at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> After installing LTSP on an Kubuntu desktop machine and building the ltsp
> client, I update the sshkeys and image. The client are not getting IP
> address from the server. Mind you installed the ltsp-standalone and openssh.
>
>
Did the dhcp3-server package install as part your LTSP installation? If so,
can you post the contents of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
This is the post of dhcpd.conf on the server
20080909 dhcpd.conf 1
file:///etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf##
Default LTSP dhcpd.conf config file.
#
authoritative;
subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250;
option domain&name "example.com";
option domain&name&servers 192.168.0.1;
option broadcast&address 192.168.0.255;
option routers 192.168.0.1;
# next&server 192.168.0.1;
# get&lease&hostnames true;
option subnet&mask 255.255.255.0;
option root&path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
if substring( option vendor&class&identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
} else {
filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
}
}
>
> Help me out with this DHCP sever problem, my clients are not getting IP
> address from the server.
>
What does the daemon.log file say when you boot a client?
(/var/log/daemon.log) Log files are always the best place to start looking
when you have a problem.
Charles
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:00:57 +0200
From: "kjetil knudsen" <knukje at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess?
To: "Todd O'Bryan" <toddobryan at gmail.com>
Cc: Edubuntu Users Group <edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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We have also the exact same experience. We are a big school with over 400
clients and 9 servers that run Ubuntu Hardy. It all worked superb with the
K12LTSP package with Fedora. Now everything is a mess, and we are
considering switching back to K12LTSP. The observation I have done indicate
that our fileserver is overloaded with some kind of traffic everytime a
class log in which results in a ever lasting long queue of processes waiting
for respons from the filserver. I thought that this was where the dog was
burried. But the problem is the same with a shiny new fileserver that indeed
should handle the workload (There should.not be any workload at all
here)....And of course we also have the processes that hangs on the LTSP
servers that you already mentioned. To me it seems like Ubuntu Hardy is not
up for the job yet.. If there is no solution in the near future we have to
go back to K12LTSP. I really like Ubuntu, but we have to have a system that
really works and that you can trust beeing used by hundreds of pupils.
K12LTSP did this....
Kjetil Knudsen
Gr?dem skole, Norway
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Todd O'Bryan <toddobryan at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, first let me say that I'm using the LTSP package on Ubuntu Hardy, not
> an Edubuntu install, so if that's the source of my problems, let me know and
> I'll install whatever I need to to get the Edubuntu goodies that I'm
> missing. My clients are Devon IT 6020P's--128 MB of RAM.
>
> Here's a recap of my last several classes. Students log in, try to work,
> and have hard freezes of the clients. I presume these freezes are the result
> of the pixmap caching problem that people have mentioned, and setting
> X_RAMPERC (or XRAMPERC, I've seen both spellings online) doesn't help at
> all. What's more, the problem occurs with OpenOffice and a programming
> environment I use, not just Firefox, so the Firefox 3 environment setting
> trick only solves some of my problems.
>
> What's more, whenever the client freezes, students can't log back in, so I
> spend a great deal of my time running "sudo slay studentlogin" instead of
> teaching.
>
> Am I doing something wrong, or are things far less stable than they should
> be?
>
> Todd O'Bryan
> duPont Manual High School
> Louisville, Kentucky
>
> P.S. I'm considering switching back to the K12LTSP package, just because
> it's so rock-solid, but I'd hate to give up the Ubuntu/Debian goodness I've
> come to rely on. The thing Eric Harrison managed to do is create all the
> settings and extra files to make LTSP work out of the box. The cool thing
> about Debian's packaging system is that you can change settings, add
> packages, and do all the other cool stuff that he does as part of installing
> a package. So if we can figure out how to get everything working, creating
> something that works out of the box should be doable.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:02:32 -0700
From: "Vincent Yau" <vyau5678 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: wireless networking
To: "Mark Loudon" <mark at markloudon.com>
Cc: edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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Hi Mark:
I had no problem with a Linksys USB adaptor. What errors did you get?
Did you try to configure it with the small network icon on your task bar
(right hand side)?
--vincent
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Mark Loudon <mark at markloudon.com> wrote:
> I am completely new to edunbuntu and linux.
> I have been unable to get a wireless usb adaptor to work with Hardy
> Heron, in spite of buying an edimax adaptor that claimed to work out
> of the box.
> Any ideas?
>
> Mark Loudon
> mark at markloudon.com
> http://www.markloudon.com
> http://augeanstabletalk.blogspot.com/
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:26:33 +0300
From: Asmo Koskinen <asmo.koskinen at arkki.info>
Subject: Re: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess?
To: Edubuntu Users Group <edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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kjetil knudsen kirjoitti:
> We have also the exact same experience. We are a big school with over
> 400 clients and 9 servers that run Ubuntu Hardy. [>8] I really like
> Ubuntu, but we have to have a system that really works and that you can
> trust beeing used by hundreds of pupils. K12LTSP did this....
This proves anything... We used to have Ubuntu 6.06+LTSP4.2, now we have
Ubuntu 8.04.1+LTSP5.
2 servers, both have 2 x Dual Core Xeon and 6G memory. LAN is fast. We
have 113 thin clients, HP t5125/5135.
Here is video about one classroom (12 thin clients) on the other day.
First some 2D games, then Gimp and then Flash games on the Internet.
http://blip.tv/file/1227903/
Best Regards Asmo Koskinen.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:33:03 +0300
From: Asmo Koskinen <asmo.koskinen at arkki.info>
Subject: Re: Is it just me, or is LTSP a mess?
To: Edubuntu Users Group <edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti:
> kjetil knudsen kirjoitti:
>
>> We have also the exact same experience. We are a big school with over
>> 400 clients and 9 servers that run Ubuntu Hardy. [>8] I really like
>> Ubuntu, but we have to have a system that really works and that you can
>> trust beeing used by hundreds of pupils. K12LTSP did this....
>
> This proves anything...
>
> http://blip.tv/file/1227903/
"This" means my video about one classroom (12/113 thin clients), not
your whole post, Kjetil.
Best Regards Asmo Koskinen.
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