Cool, maybe we should meet up on irc and have a ltsp/edu/buntu discussion concerning documentation, packaging, extra universe and multiverse packages not officially supported by canonical both listed on the website and included in meta packages, triaging, and of course more. If we set the irc meeting and all these folks show up and can help with these elements, we know that its for real and we can start getting work done. Interestingly, I was just at Sugar Camp, where we did a workshop on the methodology of autopackaging or distribution, ie, getting the software onto the computer from the moment a upstream dev makes a commit. We've managed to automate the entire process by using oBS which is actually an opensource project. We use gitorious on the sugar side to get the activities in place. So what we've done is, the minute a new gitorious commit is made, a new revision to that package happens using some scripting, and a spec file is either created if not already there and then uploaded to be built in the oBS cloud. So we go automatically from git -> jhconvert (this creates various templates for various distros and architectures) and finally to -> rpms, srpms and .xo bundles for various architectures.<br>
<br>We could certainly try the same for ubuntu, depending on how ubuntu policy works with that. What I mean is, an open source based build service could make .debs just fine, and that might all be whats needed to get up to date with many of the activities.Funnily enough, the Sugar team has a similar dynamic to what edubuntu has turned out to be. We call the base window making elements and framework Glucose, and the activities that run within it Fructose. Those are the supported big ones who we really want to make sure work, the core activities are about 15-20 or so. The rest of the activities we call honey, and those will also be available in rpm bundles based on theme or whatever. So in edubuntu we have the edubuntu-extra packages, which should really be universe and multiverse packages... any way a decision should be made as to what to carry. I sent an email to laserjock some time ago describing the tools I thought were good edu tools and had tested all of these too, so I know they work. I shall paste that to the list, if movement is really starting to happen.<br>
<br>Anyway, first thing would be a irc meeting... when would be good for you guys? Laserjock or Scott should probably set it, and whoever still considers themselves part of the community and these new enthusiasts should attend.<br>
<br>Then we could start hacking at stuff. Sugar on edubuntu is a real concern at the moment. We are being held back due to debian policy. IE, debian is still working on packaging the 0.84, so they only have 0.82 packages, which are now ancient and pretty useless. This has made many users switch to things like Mandriva and openSUSE, who have their acts together in the edu market... lets see if we can't catch up.<br>
<br>A live dvd/stick is the obvious way to go. CD too, no reason it cant be on multiples... but I think it really requires thinking about edubuntu as a set of ubuntu+educational packages. From what I've seen, no one understands the addons only definition of edubuntu 6 months on.... I'm around, and can be convinced to move some of my work from opensuse-edu to edubuntu, if things really start happening again.<br>
<br>It has to be mentioned finally that much kudos must go to Jordan Mantha for working through these difficult times to even have an edubuntu to install... if it wasnt for him, edubuntu would be totally and officially dead...<br>
<br>so, irc meeting, when?<br><br>David (nubae) Van Assche<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Scott Balneaves <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sbalneav@legalaid.mb.ca">sbalneav@legalaid.mb.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:16:32PM -0400, David Van Assche wrote:<br>
> If this is real, then I'm up for helping. I wanna see the code first though<br>
> :-) It was me that ripped out the edubuntu ltsp handbook stuff and did the<br>
> ltsp upstream handbook creation, did most of the major rewriting along with<br>
> Scott, as well as editing the <a href="http://edubuntu.org" target="_blank">edubuntu.org</a> site and updating the set of apps<br>
> available as the addons, fatclient for ltsp, and a fair set of other things.<br>
<br>
</div>Good to see you again David.<br>
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I'm reading through the manual again right now.<br>
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Gadi's done a lot of work on the xrandr side of things in LTSP, I'm going to<br>
try to document it over the next week or two, and get it pushed up.<br>
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Scott<br>
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