<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">And it will most likely break lots of things when people try to upgrade from breezy to dapper (or sarge to etch for that matter). For this reason understanding Ubuntu's/Debian's Policies on packaging is of paramount importance.</blockquote><div> But how will it 'break' ubuntu? Karoshi is installed ontop of Linux if you change to a different version of ubuntu say, it won't make any difference to Karoshi at all...I'm not sure what your point is here... </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">You should have a look at two other projects: - WLUS which has been part of Skolelinux ever since <a href="http://www.skolelinux.no/~klaus/newnotater/x3118.html">http://www.skolelinux.no/~klaus/newnotater/x3118.html</a></blockquote><div> Ahh, webmin, we use it for minor stuff in Karoshi for example when we give teachers access to switch the Internet to their rooms of, or if they want to change a students password. </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">and - CipUx <a href="http://www.cipux.org/">http://www.cipux.org/</a> which provides a lot more and is currently debianized (undergoing the process of packaging)</blockquote><div> That looks more like what we are doing, but have you seen the documentation? One of the first lines in it states: <pre>Insert the name cipux into the /etc/hosts file by changing the line: (1) <a href="http://127.0.0.1">127.0.0.1</a> localhost to <a href="http://127.0.0.1">127.0.0.1</a> localhost cipux </pre> The whole point of Karoshi is that the schools don't touch any, and I mean any configuration files its all done for you, so for example if I need to add the above with Karoshi as soon as you click on the setup PDC button it will put that text into the file, if they are competent to do that sort of thing then they shouldn't be using Karoshi in the first place. </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Even if you decide to walk your own way, there is a lot of source code and expertise in these tools both of which have been under developement since 2001 and 2002 respectively.</blockquote><div> Ok thanks, I will try and email them and see if there is any room for cooperation. </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">CipUx is also very interesting because it has an abstraction layer. Currently there are Webmin and Shell interfaces, but GTK-(Gnome) and NCURSES (debconf-like) Interfaces would be easy to implement.</blockquote><div> It's a shame they do not have any screenshots as it would be interesting to see, we started off with shell interfaces and when talking to school techs they where scared of them and hated them, thats why we changed over to a GUI, soon as we did that we got a lot more interest in Karoshi. </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Also CipUx includes some quite advanced features like the automatic remote deployment of fat clients using disk images. </blockquote><div> Ahh yes we already have that, we call it the deployment server, though it doesn't have to be seperate I personally have mine on the same server as my print server. Have so far imaged around 150 clients both Windows, Linux and Dual boot, it really is a handy tool to have hence why it's in the project. Jo </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Kind regards David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBD+2FjlGrTC4csugQRAvFBAKC+WRvZX/yulE0Rtq/Xm+S/G/kpTACghMwl hBWGaU48XGgfABQHg53zHMw= =Arkh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- </blockquote></div> -- Please do not send me Microsoft Office attachments. See <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html</a> Karoshi: <a href="http://www.karoshi.org.uk">http://www.karoshi.org.uk</a> Karoshi@Home : <a href="http://www.karoshiathome.org.uk">http://www.karoshiathome.org.uk</a>