Processing your MOTU application via email

[Christopher James Halse Rogers]

On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 23:02 +1000, Christopher James Halse Rogers wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 14:15 +0100, Iain Lane wrote: 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The DMB has had problems achieving quorum in the past few weeks. This
> > has resulted in a backlog of applications to be heard.
> > 
> > Given that, we'd like to invite you to have your application processed
> > by email. We'll have a 'questioning' period for at most 1 week, and
> > then voting for 2-3 days thereafter.
> > 
> > If you'd rather be processed on IRC, let us know.
> > 
> > Initial questions
> > 
> >    - I see you've collaborated with pkg-xorg. Can you let us know how
> >      that's going? Do you have any advice for how Ubuntu teams can best
> >      organise themselves to collaborate and do work with/in Debian.
> 
> The collaboration with pkg-xorg is going quite well.  Unlike pkg-cli-*,
> we've got quite a lot of long-lived divergence from Debian in the X
> packages.  Some of that is unavoidable - there's still a different
> nouveau kernel ABI in Ubuntu & Debian, for example.  Despite the diff, I
> think the collaboration is going well.  A fair amount of our work
> happens first in Debian, and I think we're both being useful for them
> and getting useful work from them.
> 
> For other Ubuntu teams, then if there's a Debian team organised around a
> similar set of packages, then get involved with them.  My experiences
> with both pkg-cli-* and pkg-xorg have been great, and my experiences
> with packages *not* team-maintained have been much more mixed.  In the
> best case, like pkg-cli-*, you can end up pretty much maintaining
> everything in Debian and doing all the work only once, but even when
> you've got an unavoidable diff it can be useful - and easy - to get what
> can be done in Debian done in Debian.
> 
> I've not been as successful in dealing with packages outside of
> team-maintenance.  It seems that there are an increasing number of
> team-maintained packages, though.
> 
> > - How well do you think package sets work? Do you see a need for an
> >      xorg package set?
> > 
> 
> To a certain extent I think that package sets solve a Debian problem
> more than an Ubuntu problem.  I think we're generally better at dealing
> with non-member contributors and contributions than Debian.
> 
> I think package sets currently have a bit too high a high barrier to
> entry - because we don't have many pre-existing package sets, it seems
> that most people need to propose both the creation of a package set and
> that they be given access to it.  This is kind of the reverse of
> Debian's maintainer-lock, and I think our generalist culture flows over
> to discourage this.
> 
> If there were strong Ubuntu sub-teams it would make sense to have a
> package set for each, and I think the Ubuntu X team would be a good
> candidate for a package set.

Ping!  Does anyone have any comments or further questions for me?
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