<div dir="ltr"><div><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I truly wish you the best in your efforts; however, I can't see the<br>gain in enabling a non-free BTS, any more than I can see the gain in<br> enabling a non-free DVCS. I prefer instead to promote and support free<br>software tools and to hasten the demise of software that fails to<br>respect users's freedom.</blockquote></div> <div><br> </div> <div>This ( the 'only open source thing') sound a bit extremist to me.</div> <div>Bazaar would gain a lot by supporting Jira because Jira is popular and widely used, in an open source mode or not and that it's already deployed in many companie, such as mine and some of my clients.</div> <div>If cvs would have been narrowed down to only open source project, the industry wouldn't have used it so widely.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Are the lessons of BitKeeper, which for a long time had a "special<br>license for open source projects", that so famously imploded and<br> required the hurried implementation of Git, so quickly forgotten?</blockquote> <div> </div> <div>I don't know the story but nothing proove that atlassian would go the same.</div> <div>If Atlassasian licence scheme change or become unbearable for some, one can change to another BTS and keep Bazaar (which would have some much integration with all existing BTS that it would be an issue)</div> <div>Every body doesn't do only open source, that a fact that is not going to change any time soon.</div> <div>you can dream about it, but facing the actual reality is probably a better appraoch.</div> <div> </div> <div>And take my case as an example : </div> <div> </div> <div>I love open sources products, and i'm contributing.</div> <div>On my free time, I test some products, I found it great, I include them in my company projects, and now all the engineers of my company now it, use it and even like it and spread the word.</div> <div> </div> <div>This has been done for many open source project (by me and other tech lead), for jira which is really great, and maybe for bazaar.</div> <div>Because behind my little search now, I trying to find a replacement for our CVS repo which holds more than a hundred projects, closed source.</div> <div> </div> <div>What if I dediced to use Bazaar over GIT/Mercurial : then a lot of people will know it, use it, spread it.</div> <div>But there's a Jira lack in Bazaar while Mercurial has a Jira support.</div> <div> </div> <div>Who is likely to win ? </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 13:23, Ben Finney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bignose%2Bhates-spam@benfinney.id.au">bignose+hates-spam@benfinney.id.au</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div class="Ih2E3d">Russel Winder <<a href="mailto:russel.winder@concertant.com">russel.winder@concertant.com</a>> writes:<br><br>> On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 11:29 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:<br></div> <div class="Ih2E3d">> > As I understand it, Jira is non-free software, so I don't know<br>> > what the Bazaar project could do about it.<br>><br></div> <div class="Ih2E3d">> Many open source projects use JIRA since Atlassian have a special<br>> licence for open source projects. See for example Codehaus<br>> (<a href="http://www.codehaus.org/" target="_blank">www.codehaus.org</a>) -- which hosts Groovy, Gant, Gradle, Grails, vast<br> > numbers of Maven plugins, etc., etc.<br><br></div>Are the lessons of BitKeeper, which for a long time had a "special<br>license for open source projects", that so famously imploded and<br>required the hurried implementation of Git, so quickly forgotten?<br> <div class="Ih2E3d"><br>> Codehaus have realized they have to support repositories other than<br>> Subversion ones. Git and Mercurial was their list.<br><br></div>Apparently these people have no sense of irony.<br> <div class="Ih2E3d"><br>> I jumped up and down and shouted (metaphorically anyway) and got<br>> Bazaar added.<br></div>[…]<br> <div class="Ih2E3d"><br>> The idea of being able to accept patches from anyone for voting by<br>> the development team really is in the true spirit of FOSS. --<br>> especially when using DVCS suhc as Bazaar, Mercurial or Git.<br> <br></div>I truly wish you the best in your efforts; however, I can't see the<br>gain in enabling a non-free BTS, any more than I can see the gain in<br>enabling a non-free DVCS. I prefer instead to promote and support free<br> software tools and to hasten the demise of software that fails to<br>respect users's freedom.<br><br>--<br> \           "'Tis strange, — but true; for truth is always strange; / |<br> `\    Stranger than fiction." —"Lord" George Gordon Noel Byron, _Don |<br> _o__)                                                            Juan_ |<br><font color="#888888">Ben Finney<br><br><br></font></blockquote></div><br></div>