Bazaar and Debian

David Ingamells david.ingamells at
Tue Jun 25 09:22:18 UTC 2013

On 25/06/13 10:39, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Did you deliberately drop rms?  He probably does not read this list,
> you know.
No, I just clicked on the option "reply list" provided my Thunderbird 
where normally "reply all" appears expecting it to do the right thing.
> David Ingamells writes:
>   > GNU is no more an operating system ... GNU is an organisation.
> Surely it doesn't hurt to use the acronym "GNU" as those who do
> affiliate with it do.
> "GNU" is an operating system (although currently most widely used
> combined with a 3rd-party kernel, as you pointed out).

AFAIK there is not yet any distribution that uses _only_ GNU - any there 
are many people who consider that the
(extended) kernel is the most significant part - and the most difficult 
part - of any OS.
> The "GNU
> Project" is an organization, but not formally incorporated AFAIK -- it
> doesn't handle money or employ people (for legal services or
> development).  The "FSF" is a formally incorporated organization with
> several goals related to promoting software freedom, one of which is
> supporting the GNU Project with legal services and computing
> infrastructure (but that support is not restricted to the GNU
> Project).  Occasionally it provides development resources as well (or
> at least it has done so in the past), but it prefers to rely on
> volunteers for this purpose.
> I do think Richard made a mistake by focusing on the "GNU/Linux"
> controversy here.  The issue AFAICS is that the GNU Project doesn't
> manage, maintain, or directly support individual GNU projects.
> Rather, project leadership and development effort is expected to come
> from within each individual GNU project.  (In 1985, this was a hope;
> in 2013, it's an empirical fact that it works.)
sort of works - but many important projects are suffering from lack of 
(quality) resources who can commit
sufficient time, as this thread is proving.
> And at this point we're back to the consensus: a volunteer is needed.
> Support for the transition from Canonical would be nice.  As Martin
> describes the Ubuntu developer spirit, it might even be forthcoming!
> Transitional support from the GNU Project (in spirit) or the FSF (real
> resources) would be nice too, but rms clearly is not presently
> disposed to provide it (and he has the decisive vote).

> Steve


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