Bazaar still below the radar when evaluating VCS tools

[Ali Sabil]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Ian Clatworthy
<ian.clatworthy at canonical.com> wrote:
> Russel Winder wrote:
>
>> What is needed is for people like Ian
>> who have real data, to visit Fowler's site and add comments to his paper
>> to show that Bazaar actually is a player in the game even though from
>> his personal experience only Git and Mercurial are.
>
> I don't have time right now to do this properly. I also feel that
> community projects using Bazaar should respond here in preference to a
> Canonical staff member like myself.
>
>> On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 15:58 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
>>>
>>>     Fundamentally there's three version control systems that get broad
>>>     approval: subversion (svn), git, and mercurial (hg).
>>>
>>>     […]
>>>     Speaking of DVCSs, there are more than just the two I've highlighted
>>>     here. Bazaar, in particular, is one I occasionally hear good things
>>>     about, but again I hear about it much less often then git or Mercurial.
>
> I don't doubt that Martin is currently hearing more about Git and
> Mercurial than Bazaar. The Agile community are mostly using Java (where
> hg is well adopted) and .NET and are pushing Ruby (where Git is well
> adopted).
>
>>> Martin Fowler's voice carries a lot of weight in many quarters; it seems
>>> Bazaar escaped evaluation only because he doesn't hear about it enough.
>
> Martin is certainly one of my heroes.
>
> The best thing we can do as a community about this is get active and
> make the problem go away. Write blogs about cool thing in Bazaar! Submit
> articles to magazines and spread the word. We have a *great* product but
> it means nothing in the commercial world unless people know about it.
>
> We also have some work to do. I've spent most of my career in the
> commercial world and I'm confident I have a good understanding of what's
> required to be successful there:
>
> * easy installation
> * GUI tools suitable for non-programmers
> * great documentation
> * mature integration with tools that matter, e.g. IDEs, JIRA
> * a track record of others adopting the technology.
>
> I'm working *very* hard on the first 3 in nearly all the spare time I
> have. I need plenty of community help though, keeping in mind that I'm
> only one person (and I'm mega sick every second week thanks to
> chemotherapy).
>
> Great things are possible in short periods of time given some personal
> commitment and the right building blocks (e.g. QBzr dialogs). The
> initial cut of Explorer took me one weekend and I didn't know Qt when I
> started. I'm no rockstar programmer either - just someone who knows
> enough Python to be dangerous. :-)
>
> We *desperately* need better IDE integration with the top 5 IDEs: Visual
> Studio, Eclipse, IntelliJ, NetBeans and X-Code. These need to be
> developed, documented and actively maintained by developers using these
> tools every day - dog food FTW. Until we have these, we'll miss out
> getting a critical mass of adoption in the commercial world.
>
> In summary, Bazaar's biggest issue right now IMNSHO is adoption. Until
> we have more of that, people won't know about us and won't adopt us.
> It's a chicken-and-egg thing. *You* can make a big difference if you're
> keen. Blog, write, hack. Tell your friends and write cool stuff.
>
> Ian C.
>

You can add that we need something like github or bitbucket for bzr.