[RFC] Bazaar Localisation Team

[Alexander Belchenko]

Ian Clatworthy пишет:
> Now that the documentation team is off to a flying start, I'd like to
> kick off a team dedicated to improving our I18N support. The team
> objectives would be:
> 
> * translate Bazaar's GUIs and documentation to numerous languages
>   and maintain those translations
> * develop and maintain translation policies
> * propose changes to bzr's core to enable better UI localisation
> * develop and maintain developer policies supporting
>   internationalisation.
> 
> The suggested team name is bzr-l10n.
> 
> Sound OK?

Ian, I will be skeptical today.

Just yesterday I've tried to review translations of Bazaar Explorer to 
Russian. There is all strings translated now, but the quality of some 
translations is less that I'd like to see.

I personally constantly trying to find the good variants for translation 
and every time this is hard. There is many terms which is just dead hard 
to translate adequately. Just because English is very compact and 
computer science language, and because there is no common practice to 
translate DVCS specific terma to Russian, and in addition Bazaar invents 
new terms: like bound branches et al. I can list you long list of hard 
terms. Does your new list help me somehow in my translator work?

Will be there enough native English speakers with infinite amount of 
patience to answer question from translators: how we can translate XXX 
and YYY to our language? Native English speakers required because for 
good translation the person who doing translations need to have more 
context, examples of usage and most important (at least for me) the list 
of synonyms or suggestions how the same can be expressed in another 
language.

Just for fun, how do you translate "push" as bzr command?

I'm still unable to translate it. And many ru people as I know just 
using calque and use original word "push" as jargon.

And I can moan about this all day.

Just to provide you more info, here is quote from
https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/91575/+confirm?answer_id=0

"In general, though, if you are concerned with the quality rather than 
the quantity of translations, you should consider not using Open 
permissions, but rather Structured or Restricted, assigned to a trusted 
translations group (e.g. launchpad-translators)."

Is it official Launchpad/Ubuntu policy?

Does these official translators understand DVCS terms better than 
experienced users like me? (And note that I'm using bzr almost from the 
earliest days).

We have a glossary page in our ru_bzr group:
http://groups.google.com/group/ru_bzr/web/%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9?hl=ru

This is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER for every translator IMO. Always 
should be canonical glossary with the variants how to translate terms, 
so all translations around bzr ecosystem (docs, GUI l10n, CLI l10n) will 
use *the same words*.

Unfortunately the LP does not have a way to specify Glossaries. This is 
big misfeature IMO.

(All I said is IMO IMO IMO based on my attempts since 2006.)