more naming cleanups: irc channel, .deb packages,

John Arbash Meinel john at
Mon Mar 12 15:43:13 GMT 2007

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Etienne Goyer wrote:
> Hi Martin, everybody,
> If I understand correctly, we need to change the name of the bazaar
> package, but not bzr.  I would be glad to take care of that.
> However, I am just wondering about the purpose of the baz/bazaar package
> in the first place.  It have not been updated since Breezy, released in
> October 2005.  My understanding is that is officially deprecated and
> replaced by bzr.  Should we consider removing baz/bazaar entirely from
> the distro ?

We still need to allow a migration strategy. So for something like 'bzr
baz-import' we need to have a 'baz' packaged that people can install.

> This may not be possible if some package still have a hard dependency on
> it.  Also, I am not familiar with the process of doing so.  It would
> probably involve looking for and fixing any package that still Depends,
> Suggests or Recommends baz.

I doubt we have many hard dependencies, but I still think in needs to be
kept around. I suppose it could be moved out towards Universe or
something. But people need to be able to upgrade from baz => bzr.

> On the other, there is no harm in keeping it around.  I'll let Martin
> advise about what to do, and start looking into what is involved in the
> process.
> Cheers !
> Etienne

So yes, at the moment we only need to rename 'bazaar => baz'.


> Martin Pool wrote:
>> On 10/03/07, James Westby <jw+debian at> wrote:
>>> On (10/03/07 10:27), Martin Pool wrote:
>>>> On 10/03/07, John Arbash Meinel <john at> wrote:
>>>>> I don't know if we need to rename bzr => bazaar. Considering
>>> "Bazaar is
>>>>> the name of the project and bzr is the name of the program". It makes
>>>>> sense to me to use "bzr" as the name of the program you are
>>> installing.
>>>> Me too.  Renaming baz will make it easier to find the right one.
>> Etienne, your name also occurs in the baz package so can you take care
>> of that too - maybe talk about the transition with an ubuntu core dev?
>> While we're fixing it the baz description could be updated; it
>> currently talks a lot about GNU Arch which would be confusing even
>> without bzr.
>> Something like this might be better:
>>  Baz fork of GNU Arch
>>  Baz is a distributed revision control system.
>>  Baz is replaced by Bazaar (package bzr).  Existing repositories can be
>>  converted using the bzr-bazimport command from bzrtools.

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