<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On Apr 12, 2005 9:19 AM, <b class="gmail_sendername">Thom Holwerda</b> <<a href="mailto:slakje@quicknet.nl">slakje@quicknet.nl</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>> 1. I disagree with this and happen to dislike macos style of menus. I<br>> also question there overall usablity (a bigger issue)<br><br>Well, I happen to agree with him here for the full 100%. I've never been<br>fond of the<br>"every-window-needs-to-have-a-menubar-for-no-reason-other-than-it's-<br>the-current-paradigm-whether-it's-the-right-paradigm-or-not" ;). And<br>yes, I am a Mac user, but only since last summer. I preferred the whole<br>"menubar-atop" thing before that (setting the option in KDE, installing<br>ObjectBar on Windows).<br><br>I think that the most important thing to do when looking at UI<br>behaviour/design is putting parts of UI we find normal, under the<br>microscope. Are they really the best? Are there better alternatives? And<br>most of all, have I tried those alternatives before judging them? (no<br>personal pun intended to anyone).<br><br>There actually was a discussion about this on Gnome's desktop-devel<br>list:<br><br><a href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-April/msg00002.html">http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-April/msg00002.html</a><br><br>It's an interesting read.<br><br>Thom Holwerda<br><br>--<br>Main news posting guy of <a href="http://www.expert-zone.com">http://www.expert-zone.com</a>, bringing you the<br>OS/computer news that really matters<br><br>--<br>ubuntu-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel">http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel</a><br></blockquote></div><br>
I read through the thread. I saw nothing there that would convince me
that this "feature" is one of the worst ideas that Apple has come up
with. To me, it fails at least two tests:<br>
1. Hiding something and is always useful, in this case the upper panel
bar. Fine, you can move that to bottom, but I use both bars and I
suspect most people do as well, aside from the ones who use it because
it is default and most users never change the default<br>
2. Increasing mouse movement. Anything that increases mouse movement is bad, as it takes time and coordination.<br>
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However, it does solve the problem of messy toolbars, but I think it solves it wrong way.<br>
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BTW, I have seen nothing come by Gnome-usability on this, and I am subscribed to that.<br>
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Corey<br>
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PS. Gmail needs to realize that bottom posting is better<br>