[ubuntu-art] gtk theme

[Andrea Cimitan]

Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 11.35 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto:
> On Tuesday 04 March 2008 16:22:09 Andrea Cimitan wrote:
> > You cannot rename human theme from ubuntulooks to murrine/clearlooks and
> > blame about those gtk-engines.
> 
> the idea was not to simply rename anything. The gtkrc's we put in are just for 
> testing and are in no way final. I never said I knew how to hack on gtkrc 
> files ;-) The notes I wrote below are just the reults of looking at the 
> clearlooks and murrine themes and trying to decide where each has a 
> weekness/strength in relation to ubuntulooks
Before writing a Gtkrc, there must be at least *an idea* of what is the
style of an engine.
Clearlooks and Murrine are completely different, and they CAN'T have the
same colors (as it seems from those screenshots).
> 
> > A theme should be written from scratch with an engine in mind, these are
> > probably the weird themes I have seen in years :)
> > Even ubuntulooks, which is one of the less-liked gtk-engine, seems a way
> > better than both clearlooks and murrine.
> 
> So you are saying that ubuntulooks is better than both clearlooks and murrine? 
> I do agree that writing something from scratch is the better option, but I am 
> not a developer :D
> 
No, ubuntulooks is absolutely the last engine, in terms of liking and
stability, bugs, security. But with those weird gtkrcs, it looks better.
Murrine in the svn is much more stable than the 0.53.1 release, was
rewritten from scratch, and support the ability to change gradients and
a lot of things directly in the gtkrc.
Also adding custom widgets should be much more simpler.
> > I really hope these and derivates will NEVER be part of ubuntu.
> 
> No worries, they probably won't be...at least not in this form.
> 
> > If you want those engines, you should tweak the color palette, with
> > shadings and some hue changes. Or stick to ubuntulooks, which uses
> > colors in a *fake* way (I mean that it does what it wants, bg[SELECTED]
> > is used for the prelight, for example...).
> 
> This is something very interesting to me but way out of my scope. I would need 
> to understand what is "good" and what is "bad" in gtkrc as I am used to just 
> editing the thing until it looks like I want it to.
Clearlooks loves bg[selected] with saturation < 45/100 ad value <
86/100.
Murrine should look great with a lot of colorschemes (because of the
glossiness), but you must take a look at the contrast (see the horrible
scrollbar in Human murrine)
> 
> > If you want great themes, maybe following Tangerine's palette (much more
> > adaptable to a gtk theme), I have few great ones.
> 
> I would love to see anything you have. For Hardy we will stick with the same 
> main desktop colors as we always have used, it being the last of the cycle 
> and all.
Just for a hint, Mirco Muller is using a Murrine theme which I gave him
a year ago. With a matching wallpaper too.
> 
> Thanks for the information, I hope we can discuss this more in the future.
> 
> --
> Ken
> 
> > Cheers
> >
> > Il giorno lun, 03/03/2008 alle 12.29 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using
> > > murrine at the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and
> > > we'll test that in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need
> > > improvement if they are going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although it
> > > does have minor bugs, has a definte look and is quite well polished. With
> > > an eye to the future, here is a list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In
> > > many cases the -'s can be easily solved ...feel free to help :-)
> > >
> > >   Human Ubuntu Looks (#1):
> > >    - lines between menu bar, toolbars and windows are bad; but we don't
> > >      have to get rid of them just yet
> > >    + we like the obviously ticked checkboxes and radio buttons
> > >    + and that the tick from the checkbox is larger than the box
> > >    - toggle button doesn't share the obviousness
> > >    + liked the markers in the progress bars
> > >    + liked the inset tray look of sliders
> > >    + liked the filled insides of sliders
> > >    + liked the prelight colour of scrollbars
> > >    + liked tab colours and no gradient
> > >    + selected/active light orange bg (menu's, etc) color is perfect
> > >
> > >    Human Clearlooks (#2):
> > >    - menubar different colour to everything else
> > >    - gradient buttons instead of glossy
> > >    - no prelight of scrollbars
> > >    - no colour inside sliders
> > >    - checkboxes not obviously checked
> > >    + but toggle buttons are much more obvious
> > >    - don't like tab gradients
> > >    + but colour is ok
> > >    - progress bars look like tanks, no markers
> > >
> > >    Human Murrine (#3):
> > >    - lines between menu bar and toolbars, and toolbars and rest of
> > >      window; not urgent to remove
> > >    ? menu bar is very strange
> > >    + but the menus themselves look great with the gutter
> > >    - quite square in shape, rounded is more pleasing to the eye
> > >    - progress bars are tanks, no markers, and not inset
> > >    - sliders also not inset
> > >    + but filled
> > >    + obviously checked
> > >    - but white
> > >    - toggle button isn't obvious at all, quite nasty in fact
> > >    + tabs have no gradient and gutter colours
> > >    - no scrollbar prelight
> > >    - entire scrollbar coloured
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