[ubuntu-art] Theme Teams. Moving Forward. Making Stuff!

Sat Jan 5 13:13:30 GMT 2008

Well said!

I think that many people don't take us (you?) seriously. The current
theme is years old...
Nobody uses the default theme (except of me, I think...).
If anybody woullead a team, I would join in. (I could do things like a
new GDM-theme...).

Let's fight;-)

Am Samstag, den 05.01.2008, 11:23 +0000 schrieb Who:

> All,
> 
> On my schedule for this (potential) process, today was the day to
> decide whether or not we wanted to do this. Very few people have
> answered... Please answer.
> 
> As it stands, with one suggested theme and no leader for it, we can't
> go ahead. There is just no point. Is there any support for this idea,
> or are people only here because they want to design the default theme
> (serious question, not an attack! ...please answer)
> 
> In summary, here is why I think it is a good idea to do this
> * If you want your design to be available to Ubuntu users, this is the
> only certain way to do it
> * In the past, this team has had most success developing community
> themes (my opinion, but see below)
> * If we want to be taken more seriously as a team in the future,
> getting good stuff done well without offiicial hand-holding is
> important
> * Developing these themes is fun, seeing people using your theme is great
> 
> But if we don't get people able to run them/do design we can't go
> forward. It is only sensible for me to drive a process like this  a
> certain amount (i.e the leaders need to want to do it!, and do does
> the team)
> 
> It occurs to me that if we can't even make a complete theme of ANY
> style to a good standard, we shouldn't expect to be taken seriously
> when we ask to design the default theme!
> 
> Happy answering,
> 
> Who
> 
> On Jan 3, 2008 9:59 AM, Frank Schoep <frank at ffnn.nl> wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> > > To all the new people around here - please pay attention to Who, he
> > > has been around here for a good while and knows the drill. …
> >
> > Absolutely – there are a few people on this list who've been around
> > for quite some time. I think this list is very fortunate to still
> > have experienced people like Who and Troy around, but it's also good
> > to see a lot of new enthusiastic people sharing their vision.
> >
> > > …
> > > We came close to the real deal once, was it Dapper?, where we got a
> > > few community themes, bundled, but not enabled, by default.
> >
> > I think you are referring to Edgy, as the Theme Teams were introduced
> > in that release. Eventually three themes ended up in universe, being
> > Blubuntu (Who / PingunZ), Peace (Chuck Huber) and Tropic (Viper550).
> >
> > While varying in quality and polish, the mere fact they were included
> > was a sign that independent small community groups could work towards
> > their own vision *and* meet the hard deadline constraints that were
> > set for them.
> >
> > > This happened solely because of two things:
> > >  * A few people stood up and took responsibility for creating themes
> >
> > Indeed. There was a deadline for Theme Team applications a few weeks
> > into the release cycle so that the theme leaders needed to be
> > involved from the start up through a few weeks before release. For
> > Edgy, four leaders stepped up with a serious proposal.
> >
> > During the development period, we regularly discussed progress and
> > problems and where possible I tried to help out either myself or by
> > getting the right people in touch with each other.
> >
> > >  * Daniel Holbach saved our asses with a lot of packaging work we
> > > really should have done our selves
> >
> > Daniel has historically helped out with a lot of packaging work,
> > indeed. For the Edgy Theme Teams, we made sure he only had one final
> > version to package per theme with room before the deadline, so they
> > wouldn't burden him much.
> >
> > > I think it would be very valuable to have a "History Page" on the wiki
> > > outlining the success and Failures of the art team. That would
> > > probably help to make it clear how we are doomed to repeat history
> > > unless people step up an take responsibility.
> >
> > While I can't say much about Feisty, Gutsy or Hardy-in-progress, I
> > could tell you about Edgy. As far as I know, Edgy was the first (and
> > last?) release to actively try and use community input as a viable
> > source for distribution artwork.
> >
> > Postmortem I did an interview with Linux.com on the Edgy cycle, and
> > there's some half-decent comments from Slashdot, too:
> > http://www.linux.com/feature/58477
> > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/14/2241255
> > ('Stroep' [sic])
> >
> > It seems that all the history we built on the Wiki has been shoveled
> > elsewhere or been dumped in a landfill altogether, but if you can
> > find it, you might be able to reconstruct a decent timeline along
> > with the mailing list.
> >
> > It was pretty high traffic during those days (July - October 2006)
> > and the ML / Wiki combination seemed to work somewhat satisfactory.
> >
> > All in all, Edgy was edgy to me – as you can read in the interview
> > the idea was to try something new, community artwork by default, and
> > since there were no trodden roads available I did my best to get and
> > keep things rolling in an enjoyable fashion.
> >
> > I think it worked out pretty well in terms of community involvement,
> > enthusiasm, commitment, process structure and raw output. Slightly
> > missing was the desired art *direction* but somehow I don't think
> > that problem's been resolved ever since, no flame or offense intended.
> >
> > If you'd ask me now, sure I'd do things different based on the Edgy
> > experience and the knowledge I've accumulated since then, but I think
> > the Edgy cycle already showed a lot of potential for the future
> > although it never got tapped into afterwards.
> >
> > Tell me if I'm wearing rose-colored glasses, thanks for reading.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
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