[ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

[julian]

..on Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 01:01:26PM +1300, tonic wrote:
> well there is voting
> 
> one man, one vote

agreed. it indicates /trends/ of interest, something not easily discernable from 
sprawling mailing list discussion. 

as someone said earlier, there are many great ideas contributed to this list
but most are lost in the tide of commentary.
 
we need to see mockups in one place as opposed to scattered over several sites
and hidden as attachments in nests of threads: both list and public votes would 
be a great start to knowing what artists and users actually think is a good 
direction.

yes, of course voting is flawed in several primary ways, but far less so than
the current war-of-voices model - one reserved only to this list. at this stage 
it would be wise to get a singular sense of 'public' (read "active forum 
user") and list-wide opinion.

the only thing to fear from a vote is the reality that your contributions are not 
as popular as you would like them to be. 

cheers,

-- 
julian oliver
http://julianoliver.com
http://selectparks.net

> 
> On Jan 2, 2008 6:02 PM, Justin Rogers <justin.a.rogers at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Whatever, that fact remains that there is no leadership or direction from
> > the people who can make any decisions. You seem to forget many people, such
> > as myself, are on here on their own time at no cost to Canonical and just
> > want to help. By not giving these people any direction their hard work is
> > going to wast, which to me is an insult.
> >
> > On Jan 1, 2008 10:40 PM, Troy James Sobotka <troy.sobotka at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Justin Rogers wrote:
> > > > I have been watching for about two months now, waiting to see how I
> > > can
> > > > contribute. Who ever is leading this project, I am still uncertain,
> > > have
> > > > put very little effort into it overall. I believe we were promised
> > > some
> > > > sort of direction on the Wiki like a month ago. At this rate there is
> > > no
> > > > way any new theme will ever get into 8.04. To put it bluntly the
> > > > leadership on this project sucks!
> > >
> > > First, leadership is a wonderful thing to talk about, but
> > > a whole other thing to accomplish.
> > >
> > > Second, you can play a 'mental game' for yourself.  Imagine
> > > a list such as this where 100 people submit ideas.  You
> > > have your own personal aesthetic.  You have the aesthetic
> > > of people who are 'in charge'.  You have individual belief
> > > structures.  Now you have 1000 different belief patterns,
> > > 100 different submissions, and the various computational
> > > byproducts.  What direction do you go?  Every single
> > > poor design decision in history has been agreed upon by
> > > someone somewhere who thought it was a good idea.  Look
> > > no further than this list if you need proof.
> > >
> > > Third, you have people who refuse to examine the history,
> > > wiki, or other easily accessible information out there.
> > >
> > > As has been made clear a thousand times before, the paid
> > > art liason is Kenneth Wimer (aka kwwii on Freenode).  The
> > > final art arbitrator of all things Ubuntu is sabdfl -
> > > Mark Shuttleworth.
> > >
> > > 1) No there won't ever be voting.  It is a hideous route
> > > to follow for design.  Arguably, it can also be a shortcoming,
> > > but voting isn't the answer.
> > >
> > > 2) kwwii (as per email to the list) has been on vacation.
> > >
> > > I hope this helps, and I hope that perhaps you will see that
> > > the situation isn't nearly as simple as some people would
> > > like it to be.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > TJS
> > >
> > >
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