Another thing is that even on dial-up calls are charged per minute so it can become and very expensive business download anything. Marius <div>On 10/8/05, Marius Bock <<a href="mailto:marius.lists@gmail.com">marius.lists@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> John Bandwidth in South Africa is basically controlled by a monopolistic telecommunications company called Telkom.  The people in SA that has Internet and that is a small % do it via dial-up (56K analog or 64K ISDN).  We do have ADSL but it is very expensive -- start from 192Kb up to 1024Kb with line rental cost of $40 to $101.  On top of this you have to pay around $30 for 3GB bandwidth.  When you have used your 3GB of bandwidth you basically get cut of from the Internet. I have read somewhere that one of the reasons Mark (sabdfl) gave for moving to London was the situation recarding bandwidth and telecoms in SA -- correct me if I am wrong here Mark. To get an better idea about the situation visit <a href="http://www.myadsl.co.za/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.myadsl.co.za/</a>, also have a look at the forums on that site. Marius <div>On 10/8/05, john levin <<a href="mailto:john@technolalia.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> john@technolalia.org</a>> wrote:<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Very OT, but I know there's South Africans on this list, and anyway, the sounder is for OT stuff. I was reading this article <a href="http://www.tectonic.co.za/viewr.php?id=637" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://www.tectonic.co.za/viewr.php?id=637 </a> about MLDonkey, when I read: "If you happen to have an offshore server at your disposal, this makes for an interesting exercise in avoiding South African bandwidth limitations – you can simply log on when a file is done and download it, without using South African bandwidth for uploading or for failed downloads. " What are these SA bandwidth limitations? ISP limits? Weak infrastructure? Or what? TIA John -- sounder mailing list <a href="mailto:sounder@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">sounder@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder</a> </blockquote></div></div> </blockquote></div>